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So, the immigration laws out in Arizona.. What do you guys think of it so far? Whats your opinions? I'm kinda interested in hearing what you all have to think about it because it is something that is BIG in today's history.

i say do it! if you got nothing to hide and are living by the law, you got nothing to be afraid of

There is a hitch in the law now.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/arizona-immigration-law-judge-rule-sb-1070-injunction/story?id=11268532
My opinion....well Avery knows my opinion on this. He knows how many job's I've been under cut on by illegals

I say go for it, and in cases like this:
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/arizona-immigration-law-takes-effect-thursday-immigrants-flee/story?id=11263752

Well I'll be honest no matter how cold it may sound, but tough s#!t. He can cry some more because it's noone's fault but his own. The guy's been here for 14 years? That's plenty of time to go through the proper legal channels to become a citizen. Not to mention learning proper English because this is an English speaking country. Flat out rude for them not to do so (worse than talking about someone behind their back IMO). That's not what they do though. They just rather stay illegal and get everything for free because america lets them. And no, I didn't capitalize america, because we're not only bad enough to be rated as a 3rd world country right now, but we are also bending over to take it in the rear for all these illegals and allow this degradation to continue. Whoever wants to hate me for saying that (as I know there are probably many in the service here), feel free. My family has a long line of members that have served to protect and serve this county, and I am damn sure they're rolling over in their graves right now. Hell in the welfare/medicaid application, there is a line that says "please enter your SSN here. If you do not have a SSN, just leave this area blank". No, I'm not kidding. They pretty much say "Rape america! Insert member here!". Not to mention retarded acts like borrowing billions from China, just to give it to Haiti...if we don't have the cash ourselves, then sorry we can't help, but that's another topic.

As for all their kids, well they can blame their parents for not caring enough to make things legit. They shouldn't have even been allowed in american schools either. Life is hard, and I haven't had a job in over 5 years because of all this. As a result I've literally had no life for that time (stuck in the house most of the time with nothing around that doesn't cost a lot of money or isn't many miles away) and don't see much prospective for change. So pretty much I'm giving my life for these illegals, or rather, having it stolen. I'm 22 years old, and while I'm not the type to go partying all the time or anything like that, I like to go see and do things. It's called living. Am I going nuts due to it? Yeah, by society's standards most certainly, and by my standards I'm pretty damn close. Oh, and all these freakin' bleeding-heart activists, if they care so much, then they can pay for the illegal's citizenship. Else they can STFU and/or GTFO! Kthxbainao!

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EDIT: I really do hope Arizona does it. It'll hurt the economy for a time there, but as -american- citizens start filling job positions, it'll pick up quickly. Hopefully that would prove as an example to others. Not getting my hopes up on that though.

I really do like what Arizona is doing here. I think the entire country should follow suit and make the same laws. If Arizona can do this, then why can't the rest of us? This is major history happening right now. This is definently going to be something in the history books forever now.
I personally don't like the illegal immigrants who come over to America and free-load off of American families. NOW, i know that I haven't been alive along enough to get the full effect of all of this, but this is why I started this thread. I want to learn from the people who have lived here for quite sometime.

I'll wait for somemore of you to post before I go into more detail why I am completely for this law and against illegal immigrants.

hast a judge just stopped this from happening ?
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Over here we have a similar problem with construction workers, farm labour etc from eastern europe, so i can feel for cutter, it should be illeagal for people to give them work (some of our trades are now regulated to try and stop this)

We also have a bunch of people like Umbra (his response realy pissed me off and ive edited my original thoughts)
you cant blame them for taking the crap low paid jobs no one else wants,
if you cant get off your arse in 5 years and find a job the only person you can blame is yourself !!!!

oh bugger it i cant help myself,

"Hell in the welfare/medicaid application, there is a line that says "please enter your SSN here. If you do not have a SSN, just leave this area blank". No, I'm not kidding. They pretty much say "Rape america! Insert member here"

Apart from the old "My parents have paid taxes" how is this different from some bone idle 22 year old that has never worked a day in his life ?

@ Sipp & Dave Keeping this civil.


You are making assumptions of a situation that you are not a part of and only see as a third party. I've been 'getting off my arse' nearly every day for those 5 years. If my response pissed you off, then perhaps those 3rd parties should look a little closer at the situation before passing judgment, since I know a lot of people in the same boat as me. Not just lower class either (which I prefer to consider myself lower-middle). There are business executives living out of their cars now, business owners sitting in the gutter, and people living under highway underpasses.



Actually that statement is false. Anything's better than nothing and many people are struggling in this economy. With people scrimping just to keep food on the table, I guarantee that all those people at the unemployment offices would jump at any opening. Not to mention that the illegals taking only low-paying jobs is a stereotype. Some of the construction jobs around here pay 15+ an hour alone and I've seen many illegals working those sorts of positions. I've been applying for everything short of a gas station job (because shootings in those are bad here due to tourists), so would take any openings.

Also, the blame isn't necessarily that (though that is a biggie), the blame is that they are breaking federal law and getting away with it. Hell if I walked into Mexico and just started living there, do you think they would just sit with their thumbs up their rears and do nothing to enforce their own laws -and- give me free paychecks, even more if I pop out a few kids? I doubt they would, but that's what everyone here has been doing. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with immigrants that earn their citizenship or the temporary tax breaks they get as a part of that to help them get on their feet. I am not racist. It's the illegals I refer to good sir, and they are nothing but mass criminals.



No worries. Not pissing me off and I'm just answering truthfully.



Well false again. For one, I'm not the one applying for it (no reason for me to since I have a roof over my head). My 54 year-old father is, and he's been both working and paying taxes all his life which I would think would give him the right to apply for what he needs to keep his home and feed his family.

For two, another nice assumption, but I have had work before. When we were still up north I was an assistant accountant at a construction firm (at 14). After that I worked at a Volkswagen repair shop (got my first car there too, which I had to sell thanks to lack of work). Next came an agricultural business that I helped found at the age of 16, then -managed- until we moved to Florida. Not a lot of people can hold management positions, and I did so for nearly two years. I made quite a bit of money on that one, had a license to operate large construction machinery, and paid more taxes than most of these illegals put together. Once we came down here, I worked to start my own computer repair/upgrade business while searching for solid work (never know what could happen, so you always have a steady job when first starting a business). Word went around, started getting work, but never took off. I did manage to get side-work at a realty business as IT for their network, but they went out of business not six months later.

Been applying for jobs ever since with just a few side-jobs popping up now and then, though those have now stopped too because of the screwed economy. So now I basically get maybe $30 a month if I'm lucky, which is spent on gasoline to go to job interviews. And no, my parents aren't going to pay my way for such things, because I'm old enough that they shouldn't need to. They offer a roof and food, which I do my best to repay by keeping everything around the place in order and good repair, and helping out in other ways whenever I can. No room for actually having a life in there, so forgive if I get pist at the cause.

WTF Did I do? This is my first post in this thread?!?!

I work in jail looking at all the illegals who get caught commiting crimes

I do think if you come to this country you should speak english and there should not be any options about that.
To read this in spanish: Press Ctrl+Alt+Delete

Missed the point umbra

what you were saying in your first post is .. you have not worked for 5 years .. and this is down to illegals

what i was saying is .. if there were no illegals .. you would still not have worked for 5 years

Stupid Ass Government!!!

If I could, I'd move to the Caribbean...

I feel a lot of racism in his words, please ...
Say Not to RACISM!
“Racism is man's gravest threat to man - the maximum of hatred for a minimum of reason".

ROFL, or alt-F4. Learning a new language can be tricky though, but there are those that don't bother with the effort. As for what you did, nothing. I just meant I'm not making a flame post, since these sorts of things usually result in just that.



No I didn't, but either you missed mine or you didn't read the entire post since I pointed out that if there were no illegals I would indeed have a job. So my good sir, to save time and keystrokes I shall leave it as we agree to disagree on that subject.

Ok more confused .. can anyone point out the differece between the 2 statements above?

Ive always thought/ believed that if you want work hard enough you can find it (it may not be the job you want or the pay but you can find work)

maybe your right umb .. all your local employers would rarther risk prosecution and employ an illegal than employ someone that realy wants to work and is leagal? go figure

Actually Muppet... yes. Since you live in the UK, you don't see it first hand here. Most of your employers will rather higher someone that is asking for way less money then your proffessionals that ask for a normal pay rate. Would you rather pay minimum wage to a person that you can try hiding for quite sometime so that cost of production is lower, so profits are WAY higher, or would you rather pay a professional who asks for quite a bit more money so he can support his/her family? Both pays would feed their family, since the illegal immigrant's cost of living is much lower then the average american.

your right .. im just guessing that u have similar laws .. that if your illegal .. you cant leagaly be employed ?

now if your just talking about casual labour its hard to prove as its cash in hand (you find over here we cant fill that type of job)

As i said something will nedd to be done about the people that pay illegal tradesmen that are up against people that have overheads